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13:54 < mhoye> ashughes: I'm not some jackass whose lips move when he reads through the management-tips book he bought at the airport. This is hard-won knowledge obtained at substantial personal expense.
13:56 < ashughes> mhoye: I do not recall anyone calling you a jackass... if they did, I would say they are way off base
13:58 < mhoye> You'd be wrong, but I'm not that particular kind of jackass, no.
13:58 < shaver> it's a complex coordinate space, indeed